Fifth Quest Planning and Discussion

[Orithan]

I would have to say no to the requirement to being able to beat the 3rd quest, primarily because of how crazy it is. While the difficulty should still be there (I somehow specialise in crazy difficulty. Anyone who played my old Platinum and Diamond quests can tell you how!), but having to beat the 3rd shouldn't be a requirement.

I agree to many of the other restrictions, including the starting screen one. Swordless is fun for a while, but then it gets old.

Also, can we edit existing enemies and items (so long it is reasonable). If so, then anyone who actually played Zelda's Last Wish will know exactly what I am going to do to the Lynels

[SUCCESSOR]

These are just my opinions, but here are some things I'd like to see:

- The overall format of the quest stays the same: 9 dungeons, must complete 1-8 to access the 9th.

- Standard quest rules (1st + 2nd quest) and classic tileset.

- Dungeons design (block placement, enemy types) should be up to the quest creator. New enemies should be allowed (within reason, as with new items). Any dungeon can have up to 2 items, to make room for any new items included.

I agree with these. I would say the graphics included in 2.5 are all fair game. NES rules and NES style dungeons.

- All of the classic Z1 items should be present, but new items such as the hookshot are allowed. I'm not sure what items are available nowadays, so there may be need to be some exceptions to this rule.

- No scripting or cutscenes. This is to keep the presentation consistent with Zelda 1.

- Overworld should be the same as in the 1st and 2nd quest, with the allowance for 2 screens to be modified. Modifications should be free-form (not have to be a copy of some other screen on the overworld).

- Link starts in the same screen as usual, and the first cave contains the Wooden Sword. Please none of this "swordless Link" bullshit!

Not so much these. I don't agree with requiring all Z1 items. If someone doesn't want to include the wand or boomerang what would it matter much? I'd personally like to see new items with the item editor. I also would like to see more leniency with the overworld. Maybe a limit on original screen but also allow some rearranging and tweaking. I think scripting should not only be allowed but encouraged or required. We are finishing the Nth quests with a bang! Obviously items or scripts that interfere with the with Z1 gameplay or feel would be barred. Definitely no cutscenes. Do we really need to force people to start Link and the sword at the same place? I agree with you on the no swordless Link thing. The sword should be easily available at the start of the quest..

I was mostly waiting until 2-week mania subsided at pzc, since the best/most entrants would arguably come from there. Regardless of that, we need a team of volunteer judges and a workable rule-set. While we have until the end of the contest to stock up on judges, the rules need to be priority one.

This topic is just to get the rules layed down. Once we do then we will start figuring who, when, and how. In any case the 2 week contest is about over right? People are playing the quests and voting so that should be wrapped up soon, right?

I would have to say no to the requirement to being able to beat the 3rd quest, primarily because of how crazy it is.

I'm sorry but I agree with Gleeok. A judge for this contest should be able to complete 3rd and should have also completed 4th. We don't want a judge who will trash quests because they are too difficult for him/her.

[Gleeok]

[edit] Yeah, the 2-week think should be over in a week or two.

I'm sorry but I agree with Gleeok. A judge for this contest should be able to complete 3rd and should have also completed 4th. We don't want a judge who will trash quests because they are too difficult for him/her.

Yeah. I also meant they had to of completed them. For example: QuestWizard basically won the 4th contest[1] *see below*, and you really get a feeling in a few spots of the 3rd quest sort of lingering on in a few dungeons, kind of like the second quest quoting the first, but to a lesser extent.


[1]: QuestWizard was the winner, however it was slightly undecided because of the fact that QW had "the worst overworld" and HoF had "the best". Hence the proposed merger and quest file by _L_.



Also, can anyone find the blasted 4th quest contest thread!!? Gah! ...it had the previous rules in it.